Rubio pressed on Trump’s foreign policy goals at confirmation hearing

January 15, 2025

(WASHINGTON) -- Florida Republican Sen. Marco Rubio is no stranger to grilling nominees during confirmation hearings, but on Wednesday he is the one in the hot seat as President-elect Donald Trump's pick to be the top U.S. diplomat moves forward.

Rubio is appearing before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee on which he's served since 2011 and is expected to sail through the confirmation process with bipartisan backing, potentially becoming the 72nd secretary of state as soon as Inauguration Day.

But that doesn't mean his testimony and questioning before his colleagues in the Senate won't produce any fireworks.

Ceasefire in the Middle East

As news emerged during the hearing that Hamas and Israel had reached a ceasefire agreement, Rubio said he is "hopeful that there is an agreement in place that will bring hostages back immediately."

However, he noted that if Hamas doesn't release all the hostages in Gaza, there "wouldn't be a ceasefire for long."

"Without the hostage situation resolved, this situation will not be resolved," he said, emphasizing that the first phase of the deal doesn't include everyone.

"Hamas has been severely degraded," he continued. "But these people that include a number of American citizens need to be home as soon as possible, and that will remain a priority in any engagement that we're involved in with regards to not just a ceasefire but some permanent peace process moving forward."

Later, Rubio was also asked about his vision for the future of the governance of Gaza but didn't provide many details.

"Hamas won an election, they took over, and they destroyed the place and built tunnels for terrorists to operate from," he said. "So, the key is not simply governance -- it's who will govern. You can't turn it over to people who seek your destruction."

He added, "The good news is that potentially we have had a dynamic shift in the region that has an historic opportunity, if appropriately structured and pursued, that changes the dynamics of what might be possible."

New territory

Rubio's well-documented public record, along with support from colleagues on both sides of the aisle, may clear the way for lawmakers to ask the nominee more targeted questions about the foreign policy of the president he'll serve under.

In recent weeks, Trump has made international waves by refusing to rule out using the U.S. military to fulfill his goals of acquiring Greenland and the Panama Canal and saying he'll use economic force to make Canada the 51st state.

Wednesday's hearing is set to be the first time Rubio faces extensive questioning about Trump's territorial ambitions -- and whether he would work to make them a reality as secretary of state.

"I would imagine he's going to be deferential to the president-elect," said Richard Goldberg, a former official at the National Security Council and Senate foreign policy adviser. "These are his policy decisions, these are the president-elect's statements."

"[Rubio] will hopefully articulate what the American interest is in all of these places in a circumspect way," Goldberg, who is also a senior advisor at the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies, added.

On the Panama Canal, Trump has used overblown claims about China's involvement in its operations to justify his interest in overtaking it -- falsely claiming earlier this month that the waterway, which is operated by the Panamanian government, is actually run by Beijing.

But Rubio -- a son of Cuban immigrants who has paid close attention to Latin America during his political career -- has expressed fact-based concerns about the Chinese Communist Party's (CCP) influence over the Panama Canal that may resurface during the hearing.

"The Panama Canal is as an important transit route to intercept illicit activities, yet the canal is surrounded by #CCP enterprises," he tweeted in 2022. "We must continue to make clear that Panama is an important partner & warn against CCP attempts to establish a foothold in our region."

In early 2024, Rubio also led a bipartisan group of senators in urging the government of Panama to investigate tankers accused of smuggling Iranian through the canal.

"I think he has the experience, the depth of knowledge, and the political expertise to take any question and handle it pretty well," Goldberg said.

Converging and contrasting views

Rubio -- long known as a Russia and China hawk in the Senate -- has been accused of dialing back his interventionist foreign policy approach to align with Trump's positions and may face fresh criticism from opponents who believe he might prioritize serving as a yes man to president over serving the country.

However, on Wednesday he painted a dark picture of the future he says the U.S. is facing if Beijing goes unchecked.

"Virtually everything that matters to us in life will depend on whether China will allow us to have it or not," he said during the hearing, noting that if the U.S. doesn't change course on China, "we are going to live in a world where much of what matters to us on a daily basis, from our security to our health, will be dependent on whether the Chinese allow us to have it or not. That's an unacceptable outcome."

In the early phase of the Russian invasion of Ukraine, Rubio was a staunch supporter of Kyiv's war efforts. But over time, as Trump became a more outspoken critic of continuing American aid to Ukraine, Rubio appeared to change his position -- eventually calling for a negotiated settlement to end the conflict.

"I think it should be the official position of the United States that this war should be brought to an end," he said Wednesday. "And the question becomes, what role can we play?"

He added that there is "no way Russia takes all of Ukraine" but said it is "unrealistic" to think Kyiv can fully defeat Moscow, pointing to the dearth of Ukrainian soldiers on the front lines of the fight.

There are still many foreign policy topics where there's still plenty of distance between Rubio and Trump. While the president-elect is a near-constant critic of NATO, Rubio co-sponsored legislation with Virginia Democratic Sen. Tim Kaine aimed at preventing any commander in chief from exiting the alliance.

"First, let me say that President Trump has appointed an ambassador nominee for NATO, which clearly indicates his role to engage in that," Rubio responded. "Second is -- the law is what it is. So it's tough to say I'm not in support of a law that I helped to pass."

But ultimately, Goldberg said, Rubio's role in the incoming administration will be advising the president on foreign policy matters and then carrying out what Trump decides.

"That's the job he's signing up for," Goldberg said. "Ultimately, this President Trump's secretary of state -- no one else's."

In his prepared opening statement, Rubio says, "Ultimately, under President Trump, the top priority of the United States Department of State must be and will be the United States.

"The direction he has given for the conduct of our foreign policy is clear. Every dollar we spend, every program we fund, and every policy we pursue must be justified with the answer to three simple questions: Does it make America safer? Does it make America stronger? Does it make America more prosperous?" he's expected to say.

The 'deep State' Department?

Rubio's confirmation may also present an opportunity to gain insight into how he intends to lead the State Department's roughly 77,000 employees -- and whether he might attempt to purge its ranks of those he or the president-elect view as political enemies, as incoming national security Adviser Mike Waltz reportedly plans to do at the National Security Council.

In an opinion piece published in The Federalist in April 2024, Rubio said there were many government employees who "do good work, day in and day out, but expressed concern about "others who act as self-appointed "protectors" of institutions against politicians they don't like."

"Looking ahead to another Trump administration, it's clear why liberal elites want to protect the 'deep state.' They hate Donald Trump and everything he stands for," Rubio wrote.